[Humanist] 24.444 researcher & programmer

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Fri Oct 29 05:44:35 CEST 2010


                 Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 24, No. 444.
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                 Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 24, No. 443.
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  [1]   From:    Manfred Thaller <manfred.thaller at uni-koeln.de>            (59)
        Subject: Re: [Humanist] 24.439 researcher = programmer?

  [2]   From:    Toby Burrows <toby.burrows at uwa.edu.au>                     (7)
        Subject: RE: [Humanist] 24.439 researcher = programmer?

  [3]   From:    Aurélien Berra <Aurelien.Berra at gmail.com>                (18)
        Subject: Re: [Humanist] 24.439 researcher = programmer?

  [4]   From:    Edward Vanhoutte <edward.vanhoutte at kantl.be>              (60)
        Subject: Re: [Humanist] 24.439 researcher = programmer?


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        Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:59:15 +0200
        From: Manfred Thaller <manfred.thaller at uni-koeln.de>
        Subject: Re: [Humanist] 24.439 researcher = programmer?
        In-Reply-To: <20101028054355.CFD64A0DB8 at woodward.joyent.us>

Dear Øyvind, Dear Willard,

"... dans ce demaine au moins, l'historien de demain sera programmeur ou 
il ne sera plus".

Originally in Le Nouvel Observateur, 8 mai 1968; later reprinted in: E. 
LeRoy Ladurie, Le territoire de l'historien, Paris 1973, pp. 11-14. Here 
with the title: L'histoiren et l'ordinateur.

Kind regards,
Manfred

Am 28.10.2010 07:43, schrieb Humanist Discussion Group:
>                   Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 24, No. 439.
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>          Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:15:21 +0200
>          From: Øyvind Eide<oyvind.eide at iln.uio.no>
>          Subject: Do you need to be a programmer to be a researcher?
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> On several occasions the question whether a researcher in the
> humanities, e.g., a historian, needs to be a programmer has been
> discussed. Does anyone know or have any idea when this first came up?
> I have a secondary reference to 1969 ("in 1969, the French historian
> Le Roy Ladurie said that the future historian had to be a programmer")
> but my source to this (Thorvaldsen, G.: Databehandling for
> historikere. Oslo, 1999) do not include the reference in its
> bibliography.
>
> So I have two questions:
>
> * Can anyone confirm that Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie wrote this, and give
> a full citation?
>
> * Do anyone know of any earlier discussions?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Øyvind Eide
> Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London
> Unit for Digital Documentation, University of Oslo
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        Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:28:23 +0800
        From: Toby Burrows <toby.burrows at uwa.edu.au>
        Subject: RE: [Humanist] 24.439 researcher = programmer?
        In-Reply-To: <20101028054355.CFD64A0DB8 at woodward.joyent.us>

The exact quotation is: "l'historien de demain sera programmeur ou il ne sera plus" ("Tomorrow's historian will be a programmer or he will no longer exist"). 

Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie, Territoire de l'historien (Gallimard, 1973), vol. 1, p. 14. Originally published in Le Nouvel Observateur, 8 May 1968. 

Toby Burrows
University of Western Australia

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        Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:14:05 +0200
        From: Aurélien Berra <Aurelien.Berra at gmail.com>
        Subject: Re: [Humanist] 24.439 researcher = programmer?
        In-Reply-To: <20101028054355.CFD64A0DB8 at woodward.joyent.us>


Dear Øyvind,

In a discussion which was started in April 2010 on a French Digital
Humanities list, the reference you are looking for was mentioned
(https://listes.cru.fr/sympa/arc/dh/2010-04/msg00020.html). Its
thought-provoking title is "La fin des érudits". I found that Le Roy
Ladurie's opinion paper is now online. It is extremely interesting
indeed, given the author's academic background and position. Here are
the reference and the link.

Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie, "La fin des érudits", Le Nouvel Observateur,
semaine du 8 mai 1968
http://hebdo.nouvelobs.com/sommaire/arts-spectacles/077609/la-fin-des-erudits.html

This is an important topic and I look forward to reading the other
answers to your question.

Best regards,

Aurélien Berra

Université Paris-Ouest
& UMR Anthropologie et histoire des mondes antiques (Centre Louis-Gernet)
http://u-paris10.academia.edu/berra
http://philologia.hypotheses.org/

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        Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:20:20 +0200
        From: Edward Vanhoutte <edward.vanhoutte at kantl.be>
        Subject: Re: [Humanist] 24.439 researcher = programmer?
        In-Reply-To: <20101028054355.CFD64A0DB8 at woodward.joyent.us>

I'm currently rereading papers by Vinton Dearing who in the lecture 
'Methods of Textual Editing' (presented in 1962 and published in 1969*) 
suggested that 'The textual editor can sometimes obtain programs from 
others, sometimes prevail upon an expert to help him [...] or he can 
learn to write programs for himself. ' (p. 95) Further on in the paper, 
Dearing shows his preference for the latter in stating: 'I cannot leave 
the matter without pointing out that writing a program forces one to 
work out explicit step-by-step ways for putting his reasoning into 
practice, and so helps to clarify its logic' (p. 97) which looks to me 
like a defence of the use of modelling in the bibliographic (and thus 
historic) discipline.

* Dearing, Vinton A. (1969 [1962]). 'Methods of Textual Editing.' In 
Brack, O.M. & Barnes, Warner (eds.), Bibliography and Textual Criticism. 
English and American Literature, 1700 to the Present. Chicago & London: 
The University of Chicago Press, p. 73-101.

Edward





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